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Offline Kashif Bukhari

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Hazrat Aisha (RA) and shia's indecent propaganda.
« on: December 03, 2012, 12:20:28 PM »
I have copied below, the text (in blue font color) from shia forum at site: shiachat.com

They have used very slang and abusive language against Ummahat-ul Momineen, esp., against Hazrat Aisha (RA) & Hazrat Hafsa (RA). And to proof their shameful perceptions, they have given references of Quran & Hadith.

Can you please elaborate in detail the real history for information and to reply their immoral propaganda.


Copied Text from shiachat.com forum.
Good Lord, don't listen to these misguided murji`is and the unity-butris. `Aisha was an evil woman who has been condemned in the Qur'an and the riwayaat of the Imams [as].

Sura al-Tahreem - She and Hafsa were rebuked for lying and scheming against the Prophet [sawa] and they were likened to the two disbelieving wives of Nabi Nuh and Lut [as].

She made the Prophet [sawa] mad when she was disrespect Sayyida Khadija [ra], this happened on more than one occasion, iirc.

She instigated and accused Maariya al-Qibtiyya of adultery and claimed Ibrahim [ra] the son of the Prophet [sawa] to be someone else's son, Qur'an condemned here on this, too.

She held contempt for Imam `Ali [as], fought against him in war under the false pretense of "revenge for Uthman" - she was actually the one who called for his killing.

From Br. Nader's blog:


يَحْيَى عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مُسْكَانَ عَنْ ضُرَيْسٍ قَالَ تَمَارَى النَّاسُ عِنْدَ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ ع فَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ حَرْبُ عَلِيٍّ شَرٌّ مِنْ حَرْبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص وَ قَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ حَرْبُ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص شَرٌّ مِنْ حَرْبِ عَلِيٍّ ع قَالَ فَسَمِعَهُمْ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ ع فَقَالَ مَا تَقُولُونَ فَقَالُوا أَصْلَحَكَ اللَّهُ تَمَارَيْنَا فِي حَرْبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص وَ فِي حَرْبِ عَلِيٍّ ع فَقَالَ بَعْضُنَا حَرْبُ عَلِيٍّ ع شَرٌّ مِنْ حَرْبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص وَ قَالَ بَعْضُنَا حَرْبُ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص شَرٌّ مِنْ حَرْبِ عَلِيٍّ ع فَقَالَ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ ع لَا بَلْ حَرْبُ عَلِيٍّ ع شَرٌّ مِنْ حَرْبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص فَقُلْتُ لَهُ جُعِلْتُ فِدَاكَ أَ حَرْبُ عَلِيٍّ ع شَرٌّ مِنْ حَرْبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص قَالَ نَعَمْ وَ سَأُخْبِرُكَ عَنْ ذَلِكَ إِنَّ حَرْبَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص لَمْ يُقِرُّوا بِالْإِسْلَامِ وَ إِنَّ حَرْبَ عَلِيٍّ ع أَقَرُّوا بِالْإِسْلَامِ ثُمَّ جَحَدُوهُ


From Durays said: ’The people were arguing before Abī Ja`far (عليه السلام). Some of them said that the people who fought `Alī (عليه السلام) were more evil than the people who fought the Messenger of Allāh (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). And some of them say that those who fought the Messenger of Allāh (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) were more evil than the people who fought `Alī (عليه السلام).' He (Durays) said: Abū Ja`far(عليه السلام) heard them and he(عليه السلام) said: ‘What are you saying?'. So they said: ‘May Allāh keep you well, we are arguing about the people who fought the Messenger of Allāh (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and about those who fought `Alī (عليه السلام)'. So some of us say the people who fought `Alī (عليه السلام) were more evil than those who fought the Messenger of Allāh (عليه السلام). And so of us say the people who fought the Messenger of Allāh (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) were more evil than those who fought `Alī (عليه السلام). So Abū Ja`far (عليه السلام) said: “No, rather those who fought `Alī (عليه السلام) were more evil." So I said to him (عليه السلام): “May I be in your ransom, the people who fought `Alī (عليه السلام) were worse than those who fought the Messenger of Allāh (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)?" He (عليه السلام) said: “Yes, I will inform you about that. Verily, those who fought the Messenger of Allāh (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) did not acknowledge Islām, and those who fought `Alī (عليه السلام) acknowledged Islām then they rejected it”

This hadith's chain of narrators is Saheeh. However, this concept of the kufr of the enemies of the A'immah [as] is mutawatir.

She forbade Imam al-Hasan [as] from being buried near the Prophet [sawa] and it is recorded that she commanded arrows to be sent down on his janaza.

She may have contracted an illegal `aqd of marriage with Talha and the may have been involved with the death of the Prophet [sawa].

Trying salvage `Aisha is a difficult task, you have really give her super benefit of the doubt when all the evidence points against her. I find it rather funny that she's taken as one of the greatest hadith narrators. The Qur'an is giving her, and Hafsa, clear jarh as liars...if you can lie to the Prophet [sawa]'s face then you can do it when he's gone. Let's not forget that after the Battle of Jamal, Umm al-Mumineen Umm Salama was like "Don't you know what the Prophet [sawa] said to you regarding Ali?!" and she's just like "oops I forgot!" Lying...bad memory...hating Imam `Ali [as]...How in the world is she relied upon as a hadith narrator...


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Re: Hazrat Aisha (RA) and shia's indecent propaganda.
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 01:25:35 PM »
Well brother all this is just rubbish and all lie on part of the shias. their own reality is not studied by general public which makes a person think they are lovers of ahl-e-bait i.e the people of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W's house. these shia are rated non muslims by most of the famous scholars and those who have not clearly stated them as non muslim sect have mentioned the believes of these shias and written that a person having these believes is a non muslim. they themselves say bad words about Hazrat Ali r.a Hazrat Fatima r.a and Hazrat Hassan Hussain r.a. They have in their books that a person who does rape(they give it name of mut'aa) more than 3 or 4 times becomes better than Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W. They have uncountable believes,each of which imposes a fatwa of being non muslim on them.
Coming to your quotation, Ulema(SCHOLARS) from the past 1400 years have written that a person who believes that Hazrat Ayesha r.a was guilty in the incident in which she got left behind in the journey due to the locket(the whole incident is not mentioned for sake of shortening the message), becomes a non muslim and cannot be regarded nuslim.
First of all I want to mention that we believe that our Mother and Also of whole muslim ummah(not of shias as they are not muslims) Hazrat Ayesha r.a is the most truthful women ever passed or ever to come till day of judgment and need no proof for it but to clarify you I write the following.
In the paragraph you have quoted, if shia are correct they must give the number of verse and name of surah.
They can never give the reference of this verse as there is no such verse but yes this may be the sentence barked from the black tongue of shia speaker.
Further more I tell you that Allah S.W.T has sent 10 verses in favour of Hazrat Ayesha r.a and ALLAH S.W.T has given the answer to the false claims of munafiqeen that Hazrat Ayesha r.a was guilty in the incident referred above.( you may see sura noor verse 10-20).
The point that she came against Hazrat Ali r.a is also of no weight. Yes she did come out against him but for the sake of a sacred  problem that the murderers of Hazrat Usman r.a must be hanged. And in her claim and point of view hundreds and thousands of other SAHABA(companoins of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W) were also with her. and this was  a crucial problem because if they were not hanged then and there, they would have created problems afterwards. And they did so. they killed Hazrat Ali r.a and poisoned Hazrat Hasan r.a and came against Hazrat Hussain r.a in karbala with army of Ubaidullah bin ziad.
So point of Ayesha r.a  was valid. We consider the point of view of Ali r.a also valid because he was also not in a condition to hang them. but the point of the matter is that we cannot say that Ayesha r.a came to kill Ali r.a or she came out to fight for personal gains. Hence she r.a was correct and had right to have her view point which as I mentioned was also the point of view of many other SAHABA r.a
And yes those who came against Hazrat Ali r.a were true muslims. And those with Hazrat Ali r.a were also muslims except those who were the murderers of Hazrat Usman r.a. How can you say that those coming against Hazrat Ali r.a were not muslims when Ali r.a himself came ahead to lead the funeral prayer of the people who were killed in the war between Hazrat Ali r.a And Hazrat Ayesha An Hazrat Muavia r.a. Hazrat Ali r.a  himself was the one to lead the funerals. And I wanna refer to a hadith here that Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W said that  a time will come in which two  groups will fight with each other from which one of the group will be more close to the right path(haq). so it is clear that the two groups of Hazrat Ayesha and Hazrat Muavia r.a alongwith that of Hazrat Ali r.a was muslims but the one group was more near to the right path(haq) which Ulema say was of Hazrat Ali. r.a. the word near to the haq(right path) in hadees refers to the fact that hazrat ayesha and hazrat muavia were also on the right path. now if some body rejects a hadees then what can we say.
So please do not get in doubt about shia being non muslim.
they just want to cut us from Islam and lead us to Jahannum.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 03:11:33 PM by cheema42 »
Abu Hurayrah said, "The Prophet (S) said, 'There will be "dajjals" and liars among my Ummah.
They will tell you something new, which neither you nor your forefathers have heard. Be on your
guard against them, and do not let them lead you astray.'" (Ahmad.)

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Re: Hazrat Aisha (RA) and shia's indecent propaganda.
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Re: Hazrat Aisha (RA) and shia's indecent propaganda.
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 03:13:33 PM »
If any one is still not clear please do post the point which is not clear.

JAZAK ALLAH KHAIR.
MAY ALLAH S.W.T MAKE US SERVANTS OF THE BELOVED COMPANIONS OF HIS PROPHET MUHAMMAD S.A.W.
Abu Hurayrah said, "The Prophet (S) said, 'There will be "dajjals" and liars among my Ummah.
They will tell you something new, which neither you nor your forefathers have heard. Be on your
guard against them, and do not let them lead you astray.'" (Ahmad.)

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Re: Hazrat Aisha (RA) and shia's indecent propaganda.
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 01:02:05 AM »
Aoa my dear brother
first i would like to ask you that can you give me the references of you this sentence?
they themselves say bad words about Hazrat Ali r.a Hazrat Fatima r.a and Hazrat Hassan Hussain r.a. They have in their books that a person who does rape(they give it name of mut'aa) more than 3 or 4 times becomes better than Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W.

Hazoor Pak SAW ne ksi ko kafir kehne se mana kia hai so shouldnt ok?

and which shia person only tell me one person who says something bad about AHL E BAIT
You are totally saying wrong that the person who believes hazrat AYESHA R.a GUILTY IS A NON BELIEVER.

IF A PERSON BELIEVES ON THESE 5 HE IS A MUSLIM

1 TAUHEED
2 ALL PROPHETS
3 ALL ANGELS (MALAIKA)
4 BOOKS SENT BY ALLAH SWT
5 DAY OF JUDGEMENT

AND PLEASE THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND WRITING AND DO NOT Dis guide muslims.
 please read all this SAHIH hadees 45 in numbers on Hazrat ALI A.S


http://www.sibtayn.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2133:Forty-Seven%20Sayings%20About%20Imam%20Ali%20%28A.S%29%20From%20Prophet%20%28P.B.U.H%29&catid=263:sayings-about-imam-alias&Itemid=335
one i would quote for you
The Prophet (P.B.U.H) said, “Ali (A.S) is the distinguisher between truth and falsehood." Mustadrak Al-Sahihain of Al-Hakim Al-Nisabori, 3/132; Musnad Ahmad, 1/331; Yanabi^ Al-Mawda, 92.

so you are saying Hazrat Ali A.S was wrong in this whole accident and it doesnt have weight that she Ra was against him As.

Hazoor e Pak SAW hadees is mentioned above that he is the distinguisher that what is right and what is wrong so you are saying that Hazrat Ali A.S was wrong.
so you are opposing this hadees my dear your all post is weightless against this one hadees which i have quoted even you can read more with my given link.

and i am again pasting your words against you
 now if some body rejects a hadees then what can we say.
And please dont call non muslim anyone [/size][/size]

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Re: Hazrat Aisha (RA) and shia's indecent propaganda.
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 05:51:26 PM »
First of all, you mentioned 5 things necessary for being a muslim. Shia does not believe in any one of them.
1)toheed:
               "Ali is god, The one about whom Quran says god is Saqi-e-Kosar Ali"
                 "Rab Ali hain,Quran ne jise Rab kaha wo saqi-e-kosar Ali hain"
Jalul Uyoon written by mulla baqir majlisi jild2.

So no need to give detail for other 4 points as toheed is the first one and th first is also denied by shia so its clear that they are not muslims.

Secondly, Huzoor S.A.W ne musalman ko kafir kehne se mana kia hai. Jb aik kafir apne ap ko muslaman kahe muslmano ko dhoka dene k liye to phir uske kufr ko bayan krna b lazim hai.
And also Quran men khud ALLAH S.W.T ne surah kafiroon ka aghaz he is se kia hai k Ae Nabi ap in kafiron se keh dijie....
To kafir ko kafir kehna to Quran se sabit hai.

Thirdly, Ap ne jo hadees likhi iski ilmi behs to ulma ka kam hai lekin itne bata dun k as a general case, her muslman ka yaqeen hai k Hazrat Ali r.a haq ki nishani the aur kufr-o-islam ka farq unki amli zindagi se jhalakta tha lekn ap k pas kia daleel hai k ye hadees hazrat ayesha r.a ya hzrat muavia r.a k khilaf muqable k moqe k bare men hai. us bare men muhadiseen k itefaq se jo hadis us moqa k bare men hai wo men likh chuka k muslmano k 2 groups ki larai hogi(keep it in mind "both muslims") jis men aik group haq k zyada qareeb hoga jo sab k nazdeek Hazrat Ali r.a ka group tha.
And also keep in mind it was a ijtihadi masla jo jaml aur siffeen men pesh aya. Not a religious matter or masla related to aqaid in which there had to be a one and only one opinion.

And aslo that innocence of Hazrat Ayesha r.a is proved from Quran and as you mentioned that for being a believer one must have firm believe on Quran from Al Hamd to Wa'Nas. And denying a single ayat is kufr, so if a person considers Ammi Ayesha r.a guilty, he's denying 10 ayaat of Quran. So he has to be a non believer.

And yes shia do criticise and say bad words about Ahle Bait r.a.
according to shia:
1) Hazrat ayub a.s ko bemari men is liye mubtala kia gya kyun k unho ne Hazrat Ali ki khilafat ko na mana. Ye jumla khud hazrat ali.ra ki tarf mansub kia jata hai shia ki tarf se.
see "bahar-ul-anwar", jild 26, page 293.

2)Shia writes in hayut-ul-quloob vol 2 that jab Nabi S.A.W peda hue to kuch din unki walida k doodh na utra, abu talib ne apne pastan se Ap S.A.W ka mun laga dia to ALLAH ne us men doodh jari kar dia. jab tak hazrat halima ka intazam na hua tab tak isi tarah doodh peete rahe.
kia ye gustakhi nahi?

3) Tareekh ki kutb men ye b likha hai k jb Hazrat Hasan r.a ne Hazrat Ameer muavia r.a  hath pe bait ki to shio ne unko Ya Muzillil Momineen k khitab se pukara yani muslmano ko zaleel karne wala.

What more do you say gustakhi??????????????????
« Last Edit: December 28, 2012, 06:43:19 PM by cheema42 »
Abu Hurayrah said, "The Prophet (S) said, 'There will be "dajjals" and liars among my Ummah.
They will tell you something new, which neither you nor your forefathers have heard. Be on your
guard against them, and do not let them lead you astray.'" (Ahmad.)

 

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